SPEAKER_01 0:16

Welcome to Split the Corner. Where can we get you?

SPEAKER_03 0:24

What's going on, everybody? It's Kaz and Kyle joining you once again for the Split the Corner podcast. Kyle, how you doing?

SPEAKER_01 0:34

Great, buddy. I'm really, really good. I'm ready to jump into this headfirst.

SPEAKER_03 0:41

Well, the the first thing we jump into headfirst are sincere apologies. Uh, because our national day today is national sorry day. Not the board game. The thing that men have trouble saying that isn't I need help.

SPEAKER_01 1:03

It got really real.

SPEAKER_03 1:04

Deep. It got real deep. Sorry for talking about men's mental health. How about that? Let's start there.

SPEAKER_01 1:12

Never apologize for that. This is a this is a weird one to me, dude. Like the thing is, all of these national days, at some level, for the most part, are kind of weird. Like Yadig Day was weird. There's just a bunch of weird ones. But to take an entire 24-hour span to encourage people to apologize to those that they have wronged seems as though you weren't parented well. Like if you need a day to go out there and and right your wrongs, that just seems like you you missed something along the way.

SPEAKER_03 1:46

I feel like I could have said that about all of these days, though. You know, like like National Peach Melba Day, like we shouldn't need a day to appreciate delicious desserts. That should be every day. Right?

SPEAKER_01 1:59

So Or your cheat day if you are one of those people.

SPEAKER_03 2:03

So so consider this your your cheat day from being a dickhead. Like actually apologize for shit today and and use it as the the string around your finger to remind you, oh shit, I you're right, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 2:22

Well, let me ask you this. Is there anything that you can think of just kind of off the top of your head that like you never apologized for that maybe you could take this moment to apologize for?

SPEAKER_03 2:35

Again, getting real deep with it. Like, I are are we talking about like I've I've never apologized for cutting in line at the buffet? You know, like I don't I don't look back.

SPEAKER_01 2:47

Again. I mean, I'm not I'm not talking about like when you were driving across Arizona late at night and you hit a drifter, you just kept driving. You don't need to apologize to that, dude. I'm talking more, is there more of a surface level apology that you'd like to offer someone that that you've never either had the courage to do or the the wherewithal?

SPEAKER_03 3:10

No. No, again, I got and I gotta go real deep with it. I feel like I owe most of my apologies to myself. You know, I'm I'm I'm pretty hard on myself. I I think there's a lot of times that I have to apologize in the mirror and and just say, you know, sorry, I'm sorry. We're we're in this together. I that was my bad. I I'll be I'll be nicer. But no, generally speaking, I don't I I don't share that statement for for the general welfare of mankind.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

So there's nothing weighing on your conscience that you want to use national sorry day to say you're sorry about.

SPEAKER_03 3:49

No.

SPEAKER_01 3:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 3:52

No. Why? Do you have a a grand grandstanding to do that?

SPEAKER_01 3:57

It's not grand. It's not grand at all. It's just when I was like 16 or something, I was standing in the ocean and I was talking to a girl. And I had to pee, so I did. Like right next to her. And she commented that the water had gotten warmer, and I was like, oh yeah, I felt that too. Knowing full well that I peed. I don't remember her name. But if you're listening, I'm sorry that I peed. My bad.

SPEAKER_03 4:33

Let he was not sinned cast the first stone.

SPEAKER_01 4:36

Listen, I'm not listening I'm 41 years old, dude. I was 16 at the time. Like it's still I I feel as though a burden has been lifted.

SPEAKER_03 4:49

And with that, his conscience was clean. Completely clean. It was so easy.

SPEAKER_01 4:54

Now I can go to heaven.

SPEAKER_03 4:59

Forgive me, Father. No, no, I'm good. No, I'm good. Never mind.

SPEAKER_01 5:03

I apologize there.

SPEAKER_03 5:09

Oh man, that's good. Uh well, speaking of of peeing in the ocean, which, you know.

SPEAKER_01 5:19

Can't wait to hear where this is going.

SPEAKER_03 5:20

Realistically. I that's it's mostly fish pee anyway, right? I mean, it's semantics to argue what kind of pee you're standing in. Are are you a beachgoer still? Will you go out in the ocean?

SPEAKER_02 5:37

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 5:40

Are you out like out past the breakers or are you like hip height and and jumping with the kids?

SPEAKER_01 5:46

Well, now that I have kids, um I'm trying to stay with them for the most part. But if I have some time and I'm with the right people and we have the right equipment, I've been known to go out and try to boogie aboard through some righteous narnar bra.

SPEAKER_03 6:07

See, I used to love going out that far. I just I feel like the older I get, the less I'm interested.

SPEAKER_01 6:15

So perhaps perhaps you need to be apologizing to your younger self for growing up to be a pussy.

SPEAKER_03 6:21

Or apologizing to my younger self for wasting all that time when I could have been having just as much fun in the shallower waters. Like that, I don't there's there's nothing out there that isn't also you know five feet inward. Um plus, all right. If the water's not crystal clear, I still have that creepy lake. What is that thing I stepped on feeling? Oh, yeah. And I don't love that. I'll leave the water immediately. Up stepped on a thing. I'm out, I'm out, five minute break.

SPEAKER_01 6:58

I I don't know, dude. To me, it's not it's become less about what it is I'm stepping on or the fact that I can't necessarily see the bottom of the water of the water and has become strictly a temperature thing. There was a time in my life where I could acclimate to the temperature of the water pretty quickly and just let it ride. You know, go down at some point you go down to your neck, and at some point you put your head under, and then I'm golden for the rest of the day. That point in my life has has come and gone. Like I'm that guy that stands right around my knees, and then when it when a wave hits and it accidentally gets the bottom of my swim trunks wet and it starts to kind of like manipulate its way up the fabric, I'm like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 7:44

I don't want to be cold.

SPEAKER_03 7:46

Like if you have to get into a pool and they only have a ladder. Yeah, it it takes it takes significantly longer than it used to. It used to just kind of flop off the ladder and I'm in the water. Now it's uh now it's you know, two steps down, one step back. Um wait, wait until we acclimate, give yourself a little self-splash. That's right. Trying.

SPEAKER_01 8:07

Do that thing they do in the Olympics, like the divers do where they put their hands in the pool and they do that big like butterfly motion across themselves. It always seems like a big flapping motion to me. I don't know why, but no, I mean, dude, I'm I'm I'm all about the ocean. I really do enjoy going to the beach. Like if you were to ask me where do I want to go on vacation and I had the choice of of a lake house or the mountains or down the shore, I'm gonna say down the shore every time. I also dig the vibe, you know, and Taffy.

SPEAKER_03 8:41

I love a good lake house, but I feel like that's like end of summer into fall, you know, where you can still go boating, but maybe you're not going swimming as much, and you really want to sit around a fire at the end of the night. And you know, like that that feels like kind of September-October weather. Uh, I'm I'm definitely with you. I'm a I'm a beach guy. Give me give me a boardwalk. Give me I'm not a huge sand person. I don't I don't really love being covered in sand. I don't love having sand in everything personally and and possessionally. Um but but making your own pearls there, bud. I I do I do love a good beach nap. Oh, beach nap. Love love laying out in the sand, soaking in the sun, listening to whatever random music is coming from four tenths over. I'm I'm a big fan.

SPEAKER_01 9:39

I've also found that the need for noise machines when I sleep has has increased as I've gotten older and I gravitate towards the wave noise, you know, not just not just ambient white noise. I like the wave sounds where it's coming in and it's coming out and all this. But I think that now that I'm a little bit older and I go down the shore, that like real wave noises, I'm out so much quicker than I ever was before.

SPEAKER_03 10:08

Oh, and I'm I'm such a big fan of the beach at night. That's that's my happy spot. We go down to the beach for a week. Uh you may or may not see me out in the sand at noon. You will definitely see me sitting on the beach at 10 o'clock at night, playing my guitar, watching the waves roll in. Like that is that is peak happy place for me.

SPEAKER_01 10:36

I used to like to go out and sit on the the lifeguard chairs late at night. That was a good place for a for a dart and a hangout.

SPEAKER_03 10:48

Yeah, I I miss that crowd too. The whole like you and a couple buddies on the beach that always seemed to run into another couple buddies on the beach, and and somehow everyone seemed to always find all the things that they needed, you know? Like you're sitting around by a fire and somebody's like, Man, I wish we had a couple beers, and then here comes this guy with a couple of beers, and he sits down and he's like, Glad you guys had a fire. All I had were these beers. Like it just always seems to work at the beach at night when you're hanging out.

SPEAKER_02 11:22

Yeah.

unknown 11:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:24

So what else, what else feels like summer? What are are there other things for you either either around the house or like throughout your life that just kind of scream like it's like it's summertime? Are there like summer movies, summer playlists, uh like activities, anything that you that you associate with summer?

SPEAKER_01 11:46

Well, I'm glad that you brought that up because today, in fact, I had an experience that has always been a a summer thing for me. And I'm a I'm a big music festival and and showgoer, especially in the summers, as uh especially pre-children when I was able to travel and and do all that. But today, my friend, I attended a daytime rave under a bridge.

SPEAKER_03 12:17

All remixed chili pepper songs. The bridge was downtown. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 12:24

It's actually by the stadiums. Here's the thing. I wanted to talk about this. I want to answer your question, but I want to talk about what an under the bridge daytime rave looks like. Um Kaz, are you familiar with rave culture? Did you ever have a have a time in your life where you were going to raves consistently or even not consistently, but just like you were there from time to time?

SPEAKER_03 12:49

I was an inconsistent raver. Yeah, I was never one of those people that was like recognized on the scene. You know, like the people that are there every Friday night that you know are there every Friday night. It was it was in the rotation of things to do for me. Um if uh you know, if there was a cool theme for the show or you know, or I had friends that were going. I I have a couple DJs that I follow the same way that I follow rock bands. So so yeah, I'm I'm into I'm into that culture that the same way I'm into live music. If if I like what you're playing, I'll come hear it, but I don't just put you know, rave on Friday on my calendar because I'll find one eventually.

SPEAKER_01 13:37

It's a fair fair assessment. Well, there was a time in my life where I did a little bit more raving than uh I didn't. I mean, it wasn't an everyday occurrence or anything, but you know, I did my fair share of that scene for a while. And attending an under the bridge daytime rave is just like attending any other rave, except you can see everything. And I gotta tell you, the people with the hula hoops and the swinging balls that light up and change color and all that stuff uh really not as entertaining during the day when the light show is non-existent. When the light show is called the Sun.

SPEAKER_03 14:23

I was just gonna ask about that because such a big part of those shows is the is the lasers and the and the visuals and and getting lost in the the strobes and you know everything around you looks weird and is glowing and and strange and and it feels like the kind of thing that it would feel almost like the end of the night when they turn the lights on and everybody just kind of goes, Mr. It's exactly what it was. But it's that the whole time because the lights are just always on.

SPEAKER_01 14:56

It was a bunch of wooks in their rave gear, but like their third drawer of their dresser rave gear. You know what I mean? They didn't they didn't bring out all the good stuff, but they had on enough that you were like, Oh yeah, that dude, he raves. But it was, dude, it was such a weird thing. Like it was cool, like don't get me wrong. It was a fun time. It was at FDR park, uh, by the skate park, and the graffiti and like the the the fact that the noise was bouncing off the bottom of the bridge and everything. It was really cool, except for the fact that it was a rave in the day. It just seems like a contradiction in terms, if if I'm being honest with you, because I don't hear Raven go, oh man, I can't wait to get there and have my lunch and you know, maybe play a quick round of frisbee golf and you know, maybe then womp my freaking brains out.

SPEAKER_03 15:58

Right idea, wrong execution? Kinda, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:01

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:02

Like, like give me a gimme a punk rock band, give me a ska band, give me something that ska was making it. A little closer to the skate culture. Uh, you know, the whole warp tour. That was that was what they based that entire concept. I know there's only like one left and it's in like three locations and it's just once a year, but that was based on music that it's cool to listen to while you watch people skateboard. Yeah, dude. So if you're doing it at a skate park, you know, like raves were always for abandoned warehouses. You know, like we found this building, we found this place to, you know, if you sneak in this way, we set up some speakers and some lights, come hang out. Like, I I was I was more apt to go like urban exploring and try and find a rave at night than you know, skate parks were for skater kids. So are the skater kids raver kids now?

SPEAKER_02 16:56

I don't know if there's that many skater kids anymore.

SPEAKER_01 16:59

Not like there used to be. But anyway, kind of a shame. I don't know, dude. I tried to do a kickflip once and I hit myself in the shin with the skateboard so hard that it became a golf ball. And then my buddy and his grandfather were going fly fishing, and I think fishing is kind of dumb if you're not gonna eat the fish, but I went just so I could put my giant golf ball leg contusion into the water for an hour and use that as a natural ice pack.

SPEAKER_03 17:27

Yeah, I was never more of than like I'm gonna sit on this and ride it down the driveway. Hope for the best. That's that's about as good as I got. Uh I play the hell out of some Tony Hawk video games, and I loved watching skateboarding back in the day. Loved it. I knew all the moves, I knew who all the guys were. I enjoy I just can't just can't do it. Um that being said, it does feel like a summer thing to me. You know, I am I am a rollerblader, even, even to this day. I'll throw my skates on and do a couple miles down the river trail and then you know make my way back. And it does, it does, it feels like summer. Summer feels like outdoor activity. Let's go skating, let's play, let's play sports, let's play some baseball, let's let's do all of that.

SPEAKER_01 18:21

Well, before we get into any more summer activities, I just want to throw it out there that during the episode a couple weeks ago where we were talking about the Olympics and we were talking about ice dancing and how everybody knew all the moves and the judges were you know judging the the moves that these people were doing, and the announcers knew all the moves, and they they knew the differences between a quarter turn and a three-quarter turn or whatever. It's the same way I felt about skateboarding.

SPEAKER_02 18:45

They'd be like, he just did a pop McMuffin shove it 940, like, oh my god, and I'd be like, when? When did that happen?

SPEAKER_01 18:55

I saw the board flip around a couple times, but it looked like it did the last time the board flipped around a couple times. And not to take anything away from skateboarding, it's very difficult. I'm unable to do it. I also never really had that much interest in doing it. However, if you're going to sit there and tell me that you can tell the difference between a board rotating this way and that way, I'm gonna tell you, show me. Because it all looks the fucking same to me, dude.

SPEAKER_03 19:23

No, they can. They definitely can. It because because when you can do it, you know more of what to look for. You know, like you know, you know how to watch his back heel push off and flip the board that way, whereas when he does the other one, he pushes off with his left toe and spins it the other way. Like it there, yeah, it it's it's there. It is, I'm with you. It's kind of like ice dancing. The moves get some silly names, and someone has to memorize all of them, you know, because it's not like it's scripted and choreographed and you knew that was a McDouble coming up. You had to you had to immediately identify that like with the eye test and go, oh my god, it's a screaming double Jesus McTwist. Like you you just had to know off the top of your head that that's what that move is called. That being said, I'd love to be in a position where I get to name one of those things. Yeah, I just that you're the first person that ever saw anyone do that, and then they don't have a name for it, and you get to call it something. I feel the same way about wrestling finishers.

SPEAKER_02 20:26

Like I'd panic. They'd be like, oh my god, that what an incredible move. And I'd be like, Yeah, it's Steve. Damn it. I panicked.

SPEAKER_03 20:43

You have to defend it. Well, it's short for Steven.

SPEAKER_01 20:47

If we sell it with ph because we're assholes. Anyway, back to your ta your conversation about the summer. This under the bridge daytime rave was the first live music I've seen for let's call it the summer outdoor concert season. And I mean, I've discussed ad nauseum, my propensity for concerts and things on this podcast. And to be completely honest with you, I'm probably gonna talk about it again a whole bunch more times. However, what I look forward to in the summer has always been traveling to go see music. Like my summers since I was 16, 17 years old, have always been filled up with shows, whether it was fish or whatever band was coming through Philly, or if I had to travel to Baltimore or DC or New York or you know, wherever. That's always what I've done. Every single summer of my pre adult into my adult life has been spent going to shows. So, like when I think summer, the first thing I'm thinking of is going out on the road and going to see some shows.

SPEAKER_03 22:04

What's the farthest because now we're talking summer road trips, right? Summer summer road trips come with summer playlists. Are you the type that listens to the music you are about to go see to get in the mood for the show? Or do you not want to overdo it? Spoil your dinner as it was.

SPEAKER_01 22:27

That's a really good way of putting it. Um, I think it depends on the band or the show. Like if uh if I was going to a rave, for example, yeah, I'd probably put on some rave music and get my headspace right. If I'm going to see fish, I'd probably play some fish adjacent music, probably like the dead or something like that. But it all really depends. Like I'm I've never been a playlist guy. Like I don't necessarily sit down and and put a playlist together because it's just never been my thing. However, that being said, uh, when my oldest son was born, I was at a point where I didn't know what to do. Like there's there's like as the father, you do nothing. Like she's doing literally everything. So I asked my wife, I said, like, you got to give me something to do. She said, make me a playlist for when I'm in the delivery room. I said, Oh, dude, done. And when showtime came and it was time to push, and the baby was coming, she said, put on the playlist. I said, I got you. And the very first song on that playlist was Push It by Salton Peppa. And that lasted all of 15 seconds, and then we listened to others' music. But I had a whole playlist centered around songs that either involved pushing or stuff to that effect. It was like five hours long. I spent a lot of time on it, and then it never got used.

SPEAKER_03 24:02

I don't know that that was necessarily the assignment, but I, you know, a forever.

SPEAKER_01 24:08

Hey man, I was given no notes. There were no parameters set, and I was like, I'm gonna make this as fun as I can. Would you like to hear some of the other selections?

SPEAKER_03 24:23

I I would like this to segue into kind of summer music, summer playlists. So so yeah, let's see. Let's see what what Kyle puts on a birthing playlist.

SPEAKER_01 24:40

I want to break free my queen. Cut the cable, Humber's McGee. Heard so good, John Mellencamp.

SPEAKER_03 24:59

I don't think that one would have gone over well.

SPEAKER_02 25:12

Oh my god, dude, what was I thinking?

SPEAKER_01 25:17

I bought on Orinoco Flow by Enya just because I wanted the vibes to be correct.

SPEAKER_03 25:24

Just to just to sort of bring it all back to home. That's right.

SPEAKER_01 25:28

Um Take Your Mama by the Scissor Sisters. Mama tried by the Grateful Dead. That song's about a guy that went to prison and went 21 years old. Anyway, so uh to my loving wife, thanks for not calling it quits. Right then and there.

SPEAKER_03 25:52

Mid playlist. Yeah. So not just backing it up and walking out. She didn't get past push it, and I really don't think that the rest of those were gonna be any good. Oh my god. That being said, personally, I I do you know, shout out to Salt and Peppa. I do lean a little more throwback jam in the summertime. I I listen to more kind of 90s hip-hop. Feels like summertime out on the stoop to me. And uh, you know, the playing through the neighborhood, the early days of of Biggie and Jay-Z and hip-hop just just feels like summertime. You know, Will Smith a lot in Philly because cause Will Smith, but you know, there there are some there's some parts to that song that are that are legit.

SPEAKER_01 26:45

Yeah. The very first like real warm day of the year when I'm driving with the windows down, it's always uh sublime self-titled that goes on front to back.

SPEAKER_03 27:00

It's it's interesting that you mentioned driving around with the windows open because I spend a lot of time in the summer listening to baseball. I thoroughly enjoy windows down. I got a I got a five-hour drive, I'm gonna put the game on, and and this is gonna be my day. I I really enjoy listening to baseball on the radio.

SPEAKER_01 27:22

Oh, I do too. And that's a huge throwback for me because um, you know, when when I was a kid, um, we'd go hang out with my dad, and we'd always he'd always take us back to my mom's house before the Phillies game was over. Because in those days, back in those days, the game either started at 7.05 or 735, as opposed to now when it starts at 640, right? So we'd probably get to about the I don't know, fourth, fifth, sixth inning before we were going home. And that was right around the time back in those days. I remember that Harry Callis would call three innings of TV and then he'd go to radio for three innings, and then he'd go back to call the last three innings on TV. So I remember Harry Callis calling Phillies games. Um, you know, when I'm driving in the car with my dad in his 1989 Honda Prelude Two-door. Oh, yeah, 100% two-door five speed, fun car, fun car. Listen to a lot of uh beat it in that album in that in that car. He went through like a big Michael Jackson phase, and we listen to that album a lot.

SPEAKER_03 28:37

If if you haven't gone through a big Michael Jackson phase, uh uh look forward to it. It's coming.

SPEAKER_02 28:43

A lot of Peter Frampton.

SPEAKER_03 28:47

Can't predict a Frampton phase as much as a Michael Jackson phase, but uh, you know, I I do I do dip a toe into Frampton comes alive as often as well.

SPEAKER_01 28:57

That's a wonderful album. Wonderful album. When you were a kid, what were your summers like? Because I know you you grew up closer to Philly than I did, and I lived in a small town outside of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. So I got like the legit suburb summertime experience, but like you were a little bit closer to Philly. Like what was what were summers like in the Caz household?

SPEAKER_03 29:25

I got very actually I got very similar summers to what your kids get. Um I I was in a similar neighborhood to where you are now, kind of outskirts of Philly, where it, you know, if if you want to take a day trip to the zoo or you want to do a day trip to you know the Franklin Institute or or go see the aquarium or something like that, you were you were never far enough away to to stop you from going to Philly, you know, and when we would get to our later years, it's it's where we would go when we would skip school, you know, we're gonna dip out early and go into the city and you know get into trouble. Um But it it was mostly it was mostly neighborhood kids in the street. You know, someone would be up around 6 30, 7 o'clock, and they start banging on doors, and then everybody's outside playing something, going on some sort of adventure. Somebody's mom's got the sprinkler out, somebody put a new pool in, you know, we're riding bikes from house to house and neighborhood to neighborhood, playing basketball and challenging other neighborhoods to games of football and whatever we could get ourselves into. It was it was very much an outdoor experience. It was very much a you know, you're you're out when you get up, and then you come home when the street lights go on, and that's and you had an adventure somewhere along the way. And and maybe I'm you know, maybe I slash we are the last generation of that. Uh, but it was man, it was a hell of a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_01 31:02

Yeah. Yeah. There were there were seven kids on my block growing up, and we were together from morning until the street lights came on, just like you said. And then as we got older, like you said, we'd go to different neighborhoods, and you know, there were competitions to be had and little rumbles from time to time, and and then uh then it was chasing girls and all that stuff. But I think the big regret that I have that my kids are probably not going to experience in the same way that I did was like my neighborhood was like the houses were basically on top of each other, so all the yards connected. Um, and there were only like a handful of fences, right? Or if they were, if there was a fence, they were easily hoppable or whatever. But we used to play night games, and that's what I really, really loved. Like I'd sit around all day just waiting for it to get dark. And we play Ghosts in the Graveyard, and we played Ollie Ollie Oxen Free, and these games where you would literally run away from everyone else and hide in the dark. And I just don't think that's something that's going to, I don't know if it still happens. Maybe it happens in more rural or more uh, you know, suburban areas that are further away from larger cities or something. But like I don't see that as something that's going to to transfer to this generation of kids. And that was my that's my favorite memories, man. Like lying prone under a tree, like a like a bunch of like uh like fir trees that were, you know, you get right onto there, you got a pine cone sticking in your ass, but you're not moving because I'll be damned if I'm gonna be it next. I never remember any fear. That's the thing, is I never remember it being scary ever.

SPEAKER_03 32:58

No, if I had to take the trash out by myself, all of a sudden every shadow in the neighborhood was terrifying. But if if we were prank if we were playing jailbreak and I had to go find a spot, I I was I was afraid of nothing. I except for that one neighbor. And I feel like everybody had that one neighbor who like you didn't hide in their yard and you and you knew it. You didn't even cut through their yard going to the hiding spot. Like you just avoided it. You just didn't. You didn't touch their trees, you didn't you didn't trick or treat on their house. Like you just you had that neighbor.

SPEAKER_01 33:34

They took your wiffle balls and or frisbees. You gave that house a wide berth, man. Yep. Like a wide berth.

SPEAKER_03 33:45

Yeah, base was always the basketball hoop out in front of our house. We lived on a we lived on a nice little horseshoe within a horseshoe. So you had the the sort of little block, and then you had the bigger block on the outside. So the rule was always no one leaves the small block. And then we met kids that lived on the big block, and we would get in these huge games where it would stretch two streets over and we're jumping fences and cutting through yards, and it I'm I'm with you, man. Those were great times.

SPEAKER_01 34:20

And it's sad that it's not going to transfer because the world has become far more terrible, and it's just not safe anymore like that.

SPEAKER_03 34:28

Did you ever go to summer camp? Oh, yeah, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because we played a lot of those games at Summer Camp. There was a lot of, you know, camp wide capture the flag and camp wide, you know, all these things where we're we're teaming up with other, you know, other bunks and other cabins, and and we're taking on, you know, and so so maybe, maybe they live on there.

SPEAKER_01 34:54

Yeah, but it's not it's not the same, though, man. That's that's your camp friends. And your camp friends and your home friends are not the same thing because your camp friends are, you know, to to take it to uh to take it to the fight club level, those are single-serving friends, you know, those are are kids that you're gonna see for a finite amount of time, and you're gonna probably present yourself a little bit differently, or at least I did, a little bit differently, but the stuff at home was always that's what I looked forward to. Like, camp was all right. Like I went to church camp, and that's a different, that's a horse of a different color.

SPEAKER_03 35:39

I went to scout camp. So uh to a degree, I understand the whole you're not presenting your full self to this crowd. You know, like you're very much only supposed to be showing them a certain part of you. But at the same time, I was never that close with the neighborhood kids either, you know, like it's it's not like we would sit around and talk about how our day went before we, you know, before we got into a game at two-hand touch. Like, nah, you just came outside pick teams. You we didn't talk about our problems, we just played things. You were a kid.

SPEAKER_01 36:17

What problems did you have?

SPEAKER_03 36:19

Well, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 36:21

Did the jelly fall out of your sandwich a little bit more hastily than you were accustomed to?

SPEAKER_03 36:25

Right onto the front of your shirt. Uh always in the same spot.

SPEAKER_01 36:29

Well, at least you were consistent, but that teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles shirt had seen better days. I don't know, man. It's I'll I'll I will tell you this though, dude. Church camp is everything that everyone says it is. It's a weird mixture of like super pious, zeality homeschool kids with real weird haircuts, and I don't know, they were like 14 years old still wearing Oshkosh Pagash. And then there was the other side of it where these were just, you know, normal kids, and I apologize for any of our homeschool listeners that they take offense to that, but like your haircuts suck. That being said, there was the other side of it with kids like me who just like were there. And I can tell you now there was some debaucherous behavior at church camp. A lot of it, in fact.

SPEAKER_03 37:33

I you feel like it's almost cliche, but at the same time, like it's gotta be cliche for a reason, like the the cliche has to come from somewhere. But you don't have to church church campers out there, you don't have to keep up the stereotype.

SPEAKER_01 37:49

Your own person. I mean, it was fun, man. Like I enjoyed it. Like, I remember there being uh it was a co-ed camp, which was cool, and like I don't know, I was at that age where I liked girls, and there were some pretty ones, and they were just they were there, so that was cool. But that whole like the thing is though, is like they they always had that one youth pastor, and you know who he is, and he's playing his acoustic guitar, and he's taking regular songs, top 40 hits, and throwing Jesus into it somehow. No one's comfortable during these performances, but it is what it is. I don't know, man. It was an interesting experience, but uh, but yeah, I enjoyed camp and I looked forward to it. And I actually uh am still friends with a couple of the people that I met there on Facebook, and I didn't have a Facebook till I was like in my late 20s, so it was like, oh, you might know this person. It's like, oh shit, I do know this person.

SPEAKER_03 38:54

Have you seen the adult summer camps?

SPEAKER_01 38:57

No, what's that?

SPEAKER_03 38:58

It's pretty much the same concept. You you go for a week and you get a bunk and you you hang out with a bunch of people and and you do adult activities. So, like, yes, there's probably still basket weaving, but there's also like wine tasting and like beer homebrewing, and like it's it's got a bunch of like rock climbing and hiking, and they still have all like the lake stuff. So it it's just it's just camp for adults.

SPEAKER_01 39:29

I'd be really interested to know the STD rate before and after.

SPEAKER_03 39:35

Like uh like the brochure looks good, but it probably it's it's probably those creepy people that stay in the all-inclusive swinger resorts down in like Mexico or the homeschool kids.

SPEAKER_02 39:48

Right. I want to relive my glory days. Ah they're still wearing overalls.

SPEAKER_03 39:58

Skinny dipping's different when you get older. Like ah. Oh my god. Um like when when you're 14, 15, it's like, oh, did you hear? Did you hear one of the girls went skinny dipping last night? By the time you're in your 40s, it's like, okay, Tammy, put them away. We get it. We've seen him.

SPEAKER_01 40:22

You're keeping it tight, Tammy. We're all proud of you. Pilates has done wonders for you, babe. But like your kid's gonna be awake in an hour. Figure it out. I think I think what I missed most though about summer is as a kid, is just knowing that it was summer and the differentiation there was between school months and summer months. You know what I mean? It felt different. And as an adult post-college and all that, and now that I'm a quote unquote real grown-up, like there's dude, a Tuesday in freaking July is the same as a Tuesday in November. There's no difference anymore, you know?

SPEAKER_03 41:07

That's what I look at, and I and I think and I feel I think the same way about gym class as a concept that man, what I wouldn't give for just the opportunity to run around with my friends for an hour in the middle of the day. You know, like it's summertime. I would love for tomorrow to mean that instead of going to work, I get to ride my bike over to my friend's house and we're gonna play video games all day and eat pizza rolls.

SPEAKER_01 41:41

I'm gonna make passes at his super hot older sister.

SPEAKER_03 41:46

Like, we could see, I just that's the other thing is when you get to this age, if you want to find a group of adults to go play soccer with or go play dodgeball with, you have to pay money. A lot of money. Like you have not cheap. You you have to buy a t-shirt and make a commitment, and it's not just like, hey, someone banged on the door, we gotta we need an extra for basketball. Can you can you come? Like, I would love that. I would love someone to run up on my porch and be like, hey, you you want to come play outfield, we need an outfielder. It just doesn't, it doesn't happen anymore.

SPEAKER_00 42:32

No, man.

SPEAKER_01 42:34

That that's what I missed. I just and I miss the the feeling of knowing that I'm gonna wake up this morning and I'm going to have a great day, and I'm gonna go to bed tonight, and I'm gonna wake up and do it all over again tomorrow with no responsibilities, no cares in the world. I mean, they say youth is wasted on the young, and I I mean, dude, like I don't know if there's a a more accurate expression that has ever existed in the history of expressions.

SPEAKER_03 43:07

Yeah, and to think that this whole generation might be squandering it. Yeah, I don't I don't understand. I don't understand the watching other people play video games, I don't understand the the living inside of your bubble and never exploring and seeing the world, like watching videos of people going on hikes and not going on a hike. I I just don't get the the spectator sport nature of this new generation.

SPEAKER_01 43:42

Especially in the summertime. Especially when it's nice out and there's things to do, and you don't have to necessarily worry about anything other than let's go have a good time and let's go do something.

SPEAKER_03 44:00

Yeah, I want to see everything. I I want to hike all the trails. I want to go to all the flea markets. I want to I want to see all the boardwalk shops and antique stores and I want to go to all the nighttime concerts and car shows and cranberry festivals. I'm I'm down for all of not enough hours in the day.

SPEAKER_00 44:24

I'm out on cranberry festivals. I don't care about cranberries.

SPEAKER_03 44:29

It's an incredibly versatile fruit. Yeah, but there's a lot to be learned from their marketing department. Actually, a really good point. There isn't any other fruit that has taken over the juice aisle quite like the cranberry. Blueberry didn't do it.

SPEAKER_01 44:46

You don't you don't have Are we are you taking orange out of the equation when we're having this discussion?

SPEAKER_03 44:53

No, I'm standing my ground that cranberry's been more versatile flavor-wise than orange juice. You get peach, orange, maybe orange, mango. There's like 19 different cranberry varieties. Is there's crayon everything?

SPEAKER_00 45:09

Crayon apple, craypeep.

SPEAKER_03 45:11

Yep. Cran crazy. Cran pomegranate. There's crayon everything.

SPEAKER_00 45:16

Good point.

SPEAKER_01 45:19

Not a big pomegranate guy.

SPEAKER_03 45:21

Never got it. Um speaking of cocktails, what when you think summer drinks, what do you think of?

SPEAKER_01 45:34

Cold beer, man. Cold beer. Like there's nothing better than a cold beer during the summer. On a hot day. Nothing better. However, if we're going to go that direction and just and talk cocktails instead, I'm ashamed as a bartender to say I enjoy a good mojito. And I love the hell out of a frozen drink. Like a Miami Vice all day.

SPEAKER_03 46:06

No blenders. But a really nice, well-maintained, high-end frozen drink machine is a wonderful thing. A wonderful thing. A set it and forget it kind of look when we run out of mix, we run out. You know, it'll be back tomorrow. You know, but no no blenders and for God's sakes, no island oasis machines. Because the only thing worse than the blender is the blender that has to shake and dispense ice first.

SPEAKER_01 46:40

Could not agree with you more. Like a frozen orange crush. All freaking day. Like that, I could go for one of those right now.

SPEAKER_03 46:54

I do tend to go lighter. I I like maybe maybe a little carbonation, you know, something maybe with some club soda. I like your call on the mojito. Um, I go easy on the on the frozen drinks, but I I do I do like a nice rum cocktail. I I'll switch I'll switch my old fashioned in the summertime to like aged rum instead of whiskey, get a little bit more sweetness, a little bit more tropical kind of vibe to it. Um and I'll take a real nice kind of shaken pina colada.

SPEAKER_01 47:26

See, I can only do a pina colada if it's in the Miami Vice. For those of you unfamiliar, a Miami vice is half strawberry daiquiri, half frozen pina colada. I used uh I went to a wedding in Mexico a few years ago, and I mean that was the drink. And I couldn't stop. Just couldn't stop. And then I had a a fist fight with a hammock and I lost.

SPEAKER_03 47:56

It's because hammocks kick.

SPEAKER_01 47:58

I don't mean to talk bad about the mojito, but bartenders do not enjoy making drinks that you have to muddle.

SPEAKER_03 48:05

No, the secret to the mojito, if if we can pull back the curtain for all our bartender friends out there, the secret to the mojito is to make a mint syrup. Keep a leaf or two for garnish if you really want to be fancy, but never let the mint leave the kitchen. Just put it into a syrup and then put the syrup into the mojito and save yourself. Because it's not even about the muddling, it's about the fact that once you muddle it, that mint is now forever embedded into the tin until it eventually clogs your dishwasher.

SPEAKER_01 48:36

See, what I like to do is have one designated shaker, and I'll put the entire thing into the shaker mint, lime, ice, rum, a little bit of simple syrup, and I'll shake the bejesus out of it, and then I'll pour everything into the glass on top of the little club soda. Because I'm a fan of the dirty ice. And uh it saves you time, honestly. It's the whole process of having to get the muddler out and like make a show of it. Because I also don't muddle in the shaker. Like if I may am muddling, I'm muddling in the glass.

SPEAKER_03 49:10

Yeah, see, I'll muddle in the kitchen. It'll come out in a syrup.

SPEAKER_01 49:14

No, dude, I'll just I'll shake and see, let's just avoid all that. I'll just throw it all in the tin, shake the shit out of it, and call it a day. Is there anything you're doing this summer you're looking forward to?

SPEAKER_03 49:26

I gotta find a vacation. I I haven't I haven't had a vacation in a couple of years. I've been really bad about uh over planning and saying, okay, well, I I want to do this, this, and this. Well, I can't do that this year, so maybe I'll do it next year and then next year never comes, sort of thing. So I I need to pick something and just go do it. And I'm not sure what that is yet, but we've also had some some recent interest in camping. Um, I'm not a big summer camper. I I I like the spring and fall camping when it gets cold enough to sleep. I I don't like sweating in a tent, it's not really my idea of fun.

SPEAKER_01 50:12

Unless you're seeing music all day and night.

SPEAKER_03 50:15

Exactly. Even then, man, the that festival, that 8 a.m. sunlight through the tent where you wake up drenched in sweat already, that's not fun. That's not fun for anyone. Like a pre-day stink that you come out of the tent with because you've just been baking in your own juices.

SPEAKER_01 50:35

It's gross. I mean, yeah, but what are your responsibilities for that day? To go see music. I'll wake up like that as my dude, crack a beer at 8 a.m., sit in your chair, get yourself together, get the day started. At the end of our first season of the Split the Corner podcast. This is episode number 20. We've done 20 episodes, and we are taking the summer off.

SPEAKER_03 51:14

The beginning of summer is the end of the season. I like that.

SPEAKER_00 51:19

Oh, it is. I like that.

SPEAKER_03 51:21

Because then the end of summer will be the beginning of season two.

SPEAKER_01 51:27

There you go. Like a mighty phoenix. Rising from Rise from the Ashes.

SPEAKER_03 51:34

The ashes of our inevitable sunburn.

SPEAKER_01 51:37

That's right.

SPEAKER_03 51:38

As we shed our skin like like snakes and and and molt our way into new form. That's gross.

SPEAKER_01 51:46

So to everybody who has been listening to this from the get-go, Kaz and I started doing this as just kind of something to do because we've been talking about trying to find a project to do something fun to do. You know, we're both parents, so you know, we don't get a ton of time to be creative or do creative things. And this has turned out to be a pretty fun endeavor. Uh, so much so that we are absolutely going to be bringing season two starting in September. But what what do you what do you think is the thing that you've learned the most from doing this? Not like on a not like on a on a grand scale, but like what about podcasting in general? Like, what was something that you have learned that you didn't see coming when we started doing this?

SPEAKER_03 52:34

So I have to I have to admit a sin. Before we got into making podcasts, I was not a big fan of podcasts as a as a media format. I if you would have asked me six months ago, name your top three podcasts, I would have said, no, I don't listen to those. But we decided to make one. And I I think I think our stance of of coming at it from a point of view of like these are bar conversations that people are having all the time, that you know the world needs more conversations right now. We need to be talking about things. It doesn't matter how silly those things are, we're losing interactions and and we need to talk about these things. So I think the biggest realization for me has been that that phenomenon of like, you know how when you're shopping for a car, all of a sudden you see that car everywhere? You know, like you'd be driving down the road and and you've never really paid attention to the Ford Bronco, but now because the other day you know someone that bought a Ford Bronco, all of a sudden every red light, you're like, oh my god, look, it's another Bronco. Oh my god, look, it's another Bronco.

SPEAKER_01 53:51

It's a PT cruiser for me.

SPEAKER_03 53:53

Right. That's what this has done for me in in twofold. A, I'm seeing podcasts pop up everywhere as a as a form of digestible media that is taking over the world. So not only is it like, yes, you can open your Spotify, and Spotify is like, oh, split the corner, we're just gonna suggest that for you. And now there's a whole line for podcasts that you might be interested in. And you turn on Netflix, and there's a line of podcasts there, and there's a line of podcasts. So we've gone away from these, these are just niche sort of radio shows, and that's what I'm starting to see everywhere. On top of that, all of a sudden, every bar that I sit at, I'm hearing these conversations that we're having on the podcast. And I'm having people tell me, hey, I was in a bar the other day, and that we were talking about exactly that thing that was on your podcast. Crazy. It's crazy that you guys brought that up. So what I'm what I'm most surprised by is the not the nerve that we've struck, but sort of the nest that we've found, the kind of home that that this falls into is more prevalent than I thought it would be. And I'm fascinated by that. So I that's that's my takeaway from season one is I think this thing that started out as a very strange clay ball, um just kind of found its place. And I'm really interested to see if it's if it's good enough to withstand you know some poking and prodding and and you know whatever we're gonna do for the future.

SPEAKER_01 55:47

I found that you and I having uh production meetings became a thing. Like when we first we first started talking about doing this, it was just like, oh yeah, dude, let's that'd be fun to talk about, or this would be fun to talk about. But like we usually like sat down and legitimately discussed why certain topics would work or certain topics wouldn't work. And I will say I've known you 15 years, and the one and only time that we've ever raised our voices to one another was on a disagreement that we had regarding the podcast. But at the end of it, no harm, no foul. We were both very passionate about our stances on a particular subject that we were discussing, and like we went in, dude, for like 45 minutes. Like we went in, but we came out on the other side and everything was cool. So I think I think what it is is that uh the thing that I'm taking away from it is like not having an idea of how we would work together in a more creative uh environment because we've ever only ever worked together in a in a hospitality environment, right? So to to to come out on the other side of a of a creative element and knowing that, hey man, like we can disagree and we can we can raise our voices from time to time and just come out on the other side and be like, oh yeah, dude, all right. Well that was good and good to clear the air. But it's been a fun ride this these last what four months.

SPEAKER_03 57:16

The learning curve has been massive.

SPEAKER_01 57:18

Oh my god, dude.

SPEAKER_03 57:20

And and boy, are we only on step two of a of a million and seven.

SPEAKER_00 57:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:26

So I'm looking forward to I'm looking forward to working with video. I'm looking forward to working with promotional material. I'm I'm looking forward to just sitting down and talking about what we're looking forward to. So there's there's a lot coming up, and and the sense of accomplishment that I feel from what we've already done is more significant than I expected it to be.

SPEAKER_01 57:51

Yeah, I agree with that uh wholeheartedly. And dude, like that's the that's the funniest part about it is we're not sitting here tackling issues, you know. We had an entire episode about sandwiches, and I enjoyed the hell out of it. I've just really enjoyed doing this. It's been a lot of fun, and I'm really looking forward to seeing what it is that we're gonna do in the future. And I can tell our listeners that we will be throwing a little bit out over the summer. I mean, we're not just gonna completely uh drop anchor and and and hang tight. We're we've got a couple things in the works that we're gonna put out over the summer, and we're gonna be working on some formatting and some different things to to spice up season two a little bit. But uh, you know, from all of us here, thank you to everybody who's listened, man. Like we've we've had so much more interaction than I thought we were going to, based on the fact that we're just two random dudes that are talking about sandwiches and pro wrestling.

SPEAKER_03 58:55

Yeah, but it's that's selling us a little short. I I think there's I think there's some depth to just the concept of the conversations that we're having. Like w we're I don't know. I don't think I need to to to stand on a soapbox and champion the show that we just made, but it it does feel like like the sum is greater than the parts, right? Yes, it might be an episode about scary animals and an episode about you know uh too many mentions of cheese and you know not enough not enough not enough actual substance in any way, shape, or form, but by the time it's packaged as split the corner season one, I think we've delivered a pretty good time. I think if you decided to go on a road trip this summer and you decided that you were going to work your way through all the split the corner episodes, I think by the time it's over, you'll have some favorites, you'll definitely have some opinions, and I I think you'll want to hear what season two is gonna sound like.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:11

And we'd like to know what you'd like to hear about.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:18

Get involved. What do you want to hear about next season? We've got a whole list of topics and things that we're working on, but we'd also love to hear if there are is there a topic you'd like us to tackle? Is there something we should be talking about that you'd like to hear about? Let us know, man. We're going to be spending the entire summer tweaking and and getting better and becoming better at this. So I guess from the from both of us, man, just thanks for listening, everybody.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:50

Yeah, tell us tell us what we're missing. If if there's a way that you would prefer us to to make this digestible, if they're you know, if if you're more into video, we can we're we're open to suggestion. We we don't know what we don't know. So please feel free to tell us. We're we're not proud by any means. Um, and a quick shout out while we have a moment. We've we've snuck them in a couple times this season, but uh Ashburn, Virginia, and uh Kuryugunma, Japan, uh shout out to you guys. We see that you see, and we appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:28

Thank you very much for listening. Uh, Kaz, for one last time for this season, bud. The next round's on us.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:41

Yeah, if we see you out this summer, call us on it. See what we do. Cheers, guys.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:47

Nothing top shelf. See you next season.